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Posted 18 December 2008 - 04:31 PM

Sorry, I decided it really was best to start this thread from scratch.

What I want from this thread is for members to offer support & help in regards to this situation.

Link to previous thread original Orijen thread.

Link to alternative forum cat food issues.

The alternative forum has been set up by a Cat-World member, but is not owned, run by or affiliated with Cat-World. Members may chat there, chat here or chat on both Cat-World or the alternative one.

Please bear in mind that I can be held legally accountable for anything said on the Cat-World forums. Therefore I ask that members bear this in mind when posting comments on here. Anything that we deem to be inappropriate will be removed.

I hope that you will all continue to offer support for each other & hope that any cats affected by this product can & do make a full recovery.

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1. Chronology of the Problem

Nov 19 - Cat-World users are informed by member Hayley that there was a likely problem with Orijen cat food, and it was being removed from shelves. Orijen is a high protein no grain relatively unprocessed dry cat food imported from Canada. Early speculation included a reaction caused by the gamma irradiation process the food was required to undergo as part of import conditions and/or packaging contaminants. The initial thread notifying people of the problem is here:

http://www.cat-world...showtopic=87540

Affected cats have been found in Sydney, Queensland, Victoria and Canberra. 1 cat certainly and 2 reportedly were are affected after eating Orijen dog food.

Nov 24 - SMH article published on the withdrawal of Orijen from shops and the cats affected with paralysis. CW member Purdy is featured in the article.

http://www.smh.com.a...7375062012.html

A large number of Orijen users are alerted by this article and some join the CW forum.

November 28 - SMH article published on the likelihood of irradiation causing the problem

SMH Article

2. Symptoms and Onset

Early signs to watch for include:

- Shaking out of rear feet/legs
- Loss of balance
- Wobbly gait
- Swaying while standing still
- Crouching
- Rear legs falling out from underneath while running
- Unwillingness to jump up or down from chairs/beds

Video from Katdogs of Rocky showing early signs:

http://au.youtube.co...h?v=Gb_fUsbShjA
http://au.youtube.co...h?v=k0esp-cGwzs


More advanced symptoms include:

- Dragging rear feet/legs
- Progressive hind leg paralysis and stiffness
- Nervousness/Skittish Behaviour (jumping at shadows / not enjoying usual playmates)
- Hiding and rejecting handling
- Inability to jump up or down without falling over

Advanced Symptoms include:

- Front leg paralysis / arched spine
- Incontienence
- Problems eating (mostly due to immobility)
- Hyperextended claws

Weight loss was not observed (in most cases) until unability to move caused lack of exercise related muscle loss.
Affected cats are not in pain (one case of pain reported - Hunter).
Symptoms have unfortunately been seen to begin 6-8 weeks after ceasing feeding the food.

Video from Katdogs of Rocky showing more advanced symptoms:

Symptoms
Symptoms


3. Specialist Vets working with Orijen cases

All Natural Vet Care:
http://www.naturalvet.com.au/
292 Lyons Rd
Russell Lea, NSW 2046
ph (+61 2) 9712 5844
Fax (+61 2) 9712 5855
enquiries@naturalvet.com.au

Small Animal Specialist Hospital:
Darren Foster and Georgina Childs
ph (+61 2) 9889 0289
Fax (+61 2) 9889 0431
www.sashvets.com
info@sashvets.om

Georgina Childs
uvcs-reception@vetsci.usyd.edu.au
Phone: (02) 9351 3437
Fax: (02) 9351 7436

Support Groups:

All Natural Vet Care in Sydney are running a support group for affected owners, please contact if you have affected animals.

Please also join Cat-World and add to the knowlege and community here (or just have a chat) if you have cats who were eating Orijen!

4. Press releases and Vendor Contact - Champion

Nov 20 - Recall Notice
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=105#

Nov 26 - Champion release first press release:
http://www.championp...mer_Release.pdf

Nov 28 - Champion press release w/- suggested treatment
http://www.championp...lease_Nov28.pdf

Dec 3 - Champion press release - ongoing investigations
http://www.championp...elease_Dec3.pdf

Champion contact with Australian users via Cat-World:
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=225#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=241#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=245#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=246#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=260#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=273# + 4
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=282# + 3
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=288# + 1
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http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=316# + 2
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Champion visited ANVC to examine affected cats in November.

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5. Studies

Posted by Lee: Study of cats in quarantine who developed ataxia when fed an irradiated diet
http://www.vetpathol...t/full/44/6/912
Circumstancial link between an irradiated dry commerical diet and ataxia proposed.

Note: The authors of this study have very recently completed another study which involved controlled feeding of an irradiated diet to test their theory that a diet irradiated at over 45 kGys induces leukoencephalomyelopathy (which shows as ataxia) in cats. Their results conclusively showed that it did.
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=687#

Posted by Tads: Effects of gamma irradiation and pasteurization on the nutritive composition of commercially available animal diets.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....;doptcmdl=Books
Concludes: "Irradiation increased the peroxide content ... by 14- to 25-fold with the high-end dose."

Posted by HunterBengal: Hydrogen peroxide scavenging rescues frataxin deficiency in a Drosophila model of Friedreich's ataxia.
http://www.citeulike...article/2211899
Concludes: ".. a toxic hydroxyl radical generated from hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) via iron-catalyzed Fenton chemistry at least partially underlies the pathology associated with this disease."

Posted by Tads: Functional studies of frataxin.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15176725
Examines the link between free iron and H2O2 (peroxide) created damage. Proposes antioxidant defenses "enzymes that catalytically remove ROS, e.g. superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase, and low molecular weight agents that scavenge ROS, including coenzyme Q, glutathione, and vitamins E and C."

Posted by Dominique: Toxin and free radical effects in Companion Animals:
http://www.thorne.co...mall_animal.pdf
Discusses mechanisms for peroxide damage including how it may induce T-cell signals, proposes treatments, also discusses liver (hepatic) involvement. Denosyl (Glutathione) is important for repairing liver function.

Posted by HunterBengal: Protection against Hydrogen Peroxide-Mediated Cytotoxicity ... Using Novel Iron Chelators
http://molpharm.aspe...stract/74/1/225
Proposes free iron binding as a treatment preventing iron catalysed H2O2 (peroxide) created damage.

Posted by Tads: Demyelination arrest and remyelination induced by glatiramer acetate (Copaxone) in mice.
http://www.glialcell...p?pmid=11299002
Copaxone is a MS drug used in humans.

Posted by Alek0: Paper on neuropathies and how they can develop.
http://www.neuropath....pdf?docID=1603

Posted by HunterBengal: Demyelinisation in Dogs, with possible treatments.
http://neuro.vetmed...._Web/DMofGS.htm

Posted by 5CatMom: Peripheral Neuropathy (Myelin dysfunction) and treatment
http://www.merck.com...#S16_CH223_T006

Posted by IndigoCat: Salmon based diet protects mice .. [during] Demyelinisation
http://www.sciencedi...6c4531a683f049b

Posted by 5CatMom: Owner friendly feline nutrition requirements brochure
http://dels.nas.edu/banr/cats.html

Posted by 5CatMom: Thyroid hormones .. improve remyelination after cuprizone-induced demyelination
http://www.sciencedi...a142110e2db267e

Posted by Tads: Remyelinisation abilities of the animal body
http://www.glialcell...p?pmid=11299002

Posted by 5CatMom: Use of Cyclosporine (required journal access):
http://linkinghub.el...887899405002742

6. Treatments and Possible Damage Preventatives

1. ANVC compiled fact sheet on likely causes, preventative measures, and treatment:
http://www.bowhouse....enFactSheet.pdf

2. ANVC recommended chinese herbs and antioxidant package:
http://www.bowhouse....n-cat-food.html


Treatment Kit Contains:

25g of Chinese Herbs - Ginseng Nutritive Combination (Ren Shen Yang Ting Tang http://www.aworldofc...ear-stress.htm)
10g of Anti-oxidant - Cystine / Glutathione

3. Preventative vitamin and antioxidant routine used in all or part by some member:

Fish oil and Vitamin E - for omega three fatty acids, anti-inflammatory and antioxidant, vitamin E healing properties.
Coenzyme Q10 - antioxidant and peroxide scavenger.
Denosyl - veterinary over the counter brand of Glutathione as an antioxidant and peroxide scavenger.
Cysteine -
Nutragel - veterinary over the counter multivitamin paste containing B complex, C, A, E and some minerals.
Methylcobalamin - bioavailable form of B12 thought to help balance brain chemisty http://www.purecaps....dy00.asp?T1=MT1 http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=537#
Available in australia at: http://www.custommed...au/products.php

Vitamin Powders:
Coco and Rufus "Vitality Plus" and "Inner Balance" http://shop.rufusand...upplements.aspx

4. Diet
Raw meat (roo) with vitamin supplements including taurine. Due to the preservatives and sulphites in most raw pet foods it's important to use human grade non preserved meat. The mostly raw meat diet is easier for stressed cats systems to digest and handle.

5. Acupuncture.
ANVC have recommended a course of acupuncture for some cats for specific problems (such as pain or direct digestive nerve stimulation)


7. Forum Residents and their Cats affected by Orijen

Mongo with Melody
Purdy with male Chinchilla Yuki
Catsrthebest with Ollie and Minka the Australian Mist
Jaxnjasper with Jax and Jasper
Zimba with two cats
Raggiesrule with 5 cats, 3 maine coons and 2 raggies - 3 improved / recovered including Hali..
Hank with Stella
Katdogs with Rocky
Hunterbengal with Hunter
PhillipaC has a friend with an affected cat in Melbourne.


Zimba was feeding up to June 08 and showed early symptoms in July 08, falling over at start August with full paralysis and incontinence by end of August. Full recovery with diet change alone started October complete by November. Zimba notes that even when paralysed the cats were still very alert, and didn't lose their appetite or personality. Read the details here: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=486#

Katdogs Rocky started orijen in August. Only ate the food for a week or two, switched back to Iams but mixed in the remainder of the orijen and finished Mid Nov. End Oct Rocky developed a limp which got progressively worse and early Dec Rocky progressed to hindleg paralysis and mild incontinence/constipation. Katdogs has liver and thyriod test from an affected cat showing liver function may be involved: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=651#

3yr old male Hunterbengal diagnosed mid November with flicking legs and collapsing after jumping as first signs. Hunter was being fed Orijen for about 3 to 4 months with feeding ceasing mid Nov. Dec 2 - can still get around but no jumping and he falling over every few meters.

Melody's first signs were increasing loss of appetite, loss of energy, mood change and lastly the wobbly legs and inability to jump up to her usual places, followed by almost compete inactivity and withdrawal. Melody was hospitalised for an overnight stay to be rehydrated when her feeding dropped off.

Catsrthebest: Minka was sadly put to sleep after fighting the disease for weeks and still declining. Ollie was also put to sleep before the recall was announced.

First Symptoms early September. Nov 3 - Jasper was completely paralysed in the front and rear legs, only able to lie on his side and move his head and incontinent. Nov 30 - Jasper's condition has improved immensely. 3 weeks previous he started to regain some movement in front paws to swipe his toy mouse, from there he started to clean his face with his front paws. Gradually, from that point on Jasper was displaying daily improvements. During the week he started to take a wobbly few steps, assisted to help with his balance, and crossed front legs. On Friday he had his first stand up wee with slight assistance supporting the back legs, in the garden and is no longer incontinent. He can sit up like a normal cat and not just lying on his side. Nov 30 - he took several long walks around the garden with slight assistance supported his rear legs and his front legs are now straight and not crossed. Jasper started Holistic treatment with All Natural Vet Care in Sydney, which includes acupuncture, herabal and vitamin supplements, fresh raw meat and lots of physio, exercises, love and patience, early October. Read the details here: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=445#

2 yr-old cat Stella started showing symptoms mid-October (slipping over running around corners on wooden floor and falling heavily on her back legs when she jumped down off beds) She declined in plateauing stages until early December when her back legs are collapsing every few steps. Dec 2 - Front legs so far have been good.

Raggiesrules cats, 1 of the raggies appears stable with early signs and has not progressed to partial paralysis, 3 are showing signs of improving after full paralysis - 2 MC's and one ragdoll, one MC still seems to be getting worse. Read the details here: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=456# and http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=673#

Purdys Leo and Coco were put to sleep together at an advanced stage of the disease. Yuki showed fewer symptoms and is still fighing.

Sadly PhillipaC's friends devon rex was put to sleep due to rapid decline with the disease.

8. Problems facing affected cats and how to deal with them

1. Constipation
This occurs as progressive spinal paralysis leaves muscles without the correct signals to move feces through the bowel. Feces can become stiff and hard in the colon due to too much water being absorbed during slow passage. To combat this owners are using:

- Milk. This is a bowel and stool loosener for most cats
- Pumpkin. This softens stool and the bulk makes it more easily moved along.
- Natural laxatives such as slippery elm
- Plenty of oils in the diet
- Enemas. If affected cats have no normal bowel motions for a few days they will need an enema to prevent gastric blockage and poisoning. Vets will administer this procedure and it has been needed in a few cases.

2. Incontinence
This mostly occurs as the animals are unable to move to their litter trays or cannot climb in. It has been combatted by initally buying a low-sided kitten litter tray to make it easier for affected cats to get in. If front and rear legs are affected it is better to confine the cat on puppy pee pads while in this stage. Cats will need to be cleaned and probably bathed during this stage.
Puppy Pee Pads can be found in pet stores, more cheaply on ebay, some owners are using Depends Human Bed Pads (also cheaper and available from the supermarket).

3. Nervousness and Fear
Owners are seeing their cats become fearful and wishing to hide, an instinct for sick animals but also possibly due to their inability to get away from danger and also possibly down to some brain damage disorienting them. It is best to place them in an area they know well, confined if necessary, and provide a place to hide they are able to drag themselves into, like a upturned box with a large cut opening at the base. Some owners have used large travel style dog tent/crates with waterproof soft floors to provide a safe place for kitty to stay with the benefit of covered roof. Pee pads can be used to line the floor.
Some owners have used large travel style dog tent/crates with waterproof soft floors to provide a safe place for kitty to stay with the benefit of covered roof such as http://vebopet.cart....ls/2016768.html.

4. Loss of Appetite
As the cats become more inactive some are losing their appetite, making it harder to get vitamins into their systems and also putting them at risk of liver disease. It is very important for cats to continue eating through the progression of this disease. The main treatments to combat this are:

- Antihistamines. The right one can be an appetite stimulant in some cats, vet prescribed.
- Corticosteroids. These are an appetite stimulant in some cats, given in pill form. They may also protect against inflammation caused damage. Vet prescribed.

5. Loss of Condition
Muscle wasting due to inactivity and resulting weight loss are a concern, also it's important for the cats to stay moving as much as possible to provide physiotherapy benefits and keep the brain paths to the muscles firing and open. People have used the following strategies to keep their cats moving:

- Swimming (assisted)
- Supported rear leg walking (one owner uses a couple of tea towels sewn together as a hindquarters sling)
- Moving rear legs while the animal is laying down

9. Alternative foods similar to Orijen

Foods similar to Orijen cats might find as palatable:

Ziwipeak made in NZ:
http://www.ziwipeak.com/nzl/home.shtml

Advance made in AUS:

Artemis Maximal Cat :
http://www.artemispetfood.com.au

Innova Evo imported from USA - from Pet Goods Direct or Pets Paradise:
www.naturapet.com

Eagle Pack:
http://www.eaglepack.com/

Home made resources:
http://itchmoforums....remedies-b62.0/
http://www.petdiets.com

Raw food resources:
http://www.holisticat.com/forum/
http://www.holistica...-Cats-Well-Fed/

Cat food treat posted by 5CatMom: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=621#

Assisted feeding resources:
http://pets.groups.y...sisted-Feeding/

Great list of US food (some may be available here) and pros and cons of each (Posted by Lee):
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=135#

Edited by Julia, 21 December 2008 - 04:56 AM.


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Posted 18 December 2008 - 04:38 PM

Irradiation:

Process: http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=315#
Champion has the detailed results of investigation into the irradiation performed on each lot.

Compiled up to post #346, going to bed smile.gif Will continue tomorrow.

Early ideas on Causes (from forum members):

B12 deficiency:

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=370# from Cattagirl
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=387#
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=390# +1
Blood tests for B12 levels proposed to check this, also methylmalonic acid, homocysteine and folate levels. Some users commenced B12 injections in case this was the cause. Other use B complex in food to cover this base. Champion commit to test for B12.
Addressed by Champion 11/12 - Do not believe it's B12 deficiency:
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=595#

Inflammation related demyelinisation:

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=372# from 5CatMum

Packaging related toxins:

Packaging related toxins:
http://www.cdc.gov/n...n.htm#packaging
Addressed by Champion 11/12 - no packaging toxins
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=599#

Sterilisation of wooden pallets on import with methyl bromide/sulphuryl fluoride:
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=452#

Radiolytic by-products (created by irradiation)
http://www.americanc.../articles/84140
Peroxide created by irradiation may be a likely cause.
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=637#

Import packaging concerns:

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=566#
Addressed by Champion 11/12 - not repackaged:
http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=598#

Tests done on Orijen for possible causes:

Salinomycin - a toxin causing paralysis in european cats.

Clark said that they tested for salinomycin and that the test was negative. Salinomycin is repidly metabolised and it would not be consistent with delayed onset of symptoms for weeks after stopping the food. The symptoms themselves and the slow recovery afterwards are similar to what would be caused by salinomycin. Questions remain about possible radiolytic byproducts of Salinomycin.

Import procedures

http://www.aqis.gov....;LogSessionID=0

From AQIS:

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=499#

Release forms:

http://www.cat-world...amp;MSID=113538

Authority to treat goods form:

http://www.cat-world...amp;MSID=113538

Pet foods policy:

http://www.aqis.gov....;LogSessionID=0

Steritech procedures:

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=557#

Why was the irradiation not notified via packaging label or other?

Irradiated food is supposed to be identified with a label with words similar to:

‘TREATED WITH IONISING RADIATION’

‘TREATED WITH IONISING ELECTRONS’

‘IRRADIATED (name of food)’

Cereal grains fed to animals, bee hives, and pet food may be irradiated without labelling because they are not classified as food.

Related posts:

Related posts:

http://www.bfa.com.a...2aoj_20-21p.pdf

http://www.cat-world...p...540&st=357#

Posted by raggiesrule: For those trying to work out what pet foods are irradiated and which aren't Dogzonline has a list.

Edited by Julia, 21 December 2008 - 04:55 AM.


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Posted 18 December 2008 - 04:44 PM

QUOTE (Dominique @ Dec 18 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So glad to hear your kitty came back safe and sound! Those darn cats.....


Thanks D....it's odd when they've never done it before...

Could someone please paste the new legal site web addy.....

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 05:23 PM

Feel like some refugee from a kitty-cat Tampa but hope to re-group here with the owners of Hunter, Rocky, Yuki and everyone else who makes it to this new thread.

Is anyone else's affected cat hissing more when picked up? I'm sure its to do with her feelings of losing independence and annoyed she can't run away now but its something she never did before. And as Stella is also licking her lips a lot which is apparently a sign of brain lesions, I'm also concerned this is another symptom.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (hank @ Dec 18 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Feel like some refugee from a kitty-cat Tampa but hope to re-group here with the owners of Hunter, Rocky, Yuki and everyone else who makes it to this new thread.

Is anyone else's affected cat hissing more when picked up? I'm sure its to do with her feelings of losing independence and annoyed she can't run away now but its something she never did before. And as Stella is also licking her lips a lot which is apparently a sign of brain lesions, I'm also concerned this is another symptom.


It's foreign and strange.....everyones missing in action.....my raggie boy Shadow started growling and hissing slightly a few days ago when I pick him up and he also has never done this before (he's the soft and gentle smoochie type) and he is also the one that ran away from home over the weekend.....all quite bizzare behaviours.....he doesn't appear to be showing any wobbly type symptoms, but he was also very sick a couple of months ago with FLUTD which nearly killed him, so if any of my cats are going to get sick it will be him......

Is Stella eating much yet? If so, what are you feeding her? Is she a fussy eater?

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE (Gypsystormshadow @ Dec 18 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is Stella eating much yet? If so, what are you feeding her? Is she a fussy eater?


Stella is eating OK with the help of low dose steroids. I will probably take her off those soon and then see what happens. She used to have food allergies as a kitten and growing up [throwing up a lot] and was on Hills low allergy Z/D from the vet for a long time as i tried to find foods she could eat. Unfortunately one of the ones she liked and could keep down was Orijen.

She went off her food for several weeks a few months ago which other affected cat owners have also experienced which may be linked to eating Orijen. She's not overly fussy now but I am just giving her mostly human quality fresh meats and some locally made cat meat - Meow Chow roo, sardine & brawn.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 06:08 PM

Julia thank you so much for setting up this new thread. I understand why the other thread was closed and am grateful that you have allowed us to still have a thread on cat world. It is really important that people get to talk to each other and get support given what they/we are going through.

Much appreciated.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 07:04 PM

I've been rereading the old links people found and one posted by Dominique reiterates the importance of the cats continuing to eat through this. It says liver function needs to remain very normal through oxidative damage like this or else the damage 'chain' reaction will be that much worse, and stopping eating throws all those enzymes and chemicals way out of balance.

I'm having trouble knowing if my older cat is eating (because she sometimes doesn't eat while I'm watching to get attention then eats when I'm at work) and now I have the kitten here I can't tell if the food is getting lower because big cat is eating it or it's all little cat. Getting to the point where I might need to confine her so I know if she's eating or not :/

She's also been hiding to sleep more and doing that low distressed siamese yowl much more. Watching those back legs like a hawk ...

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 08:52 PM

hmm Tad, it'd tricky to know without seperating them...I'm a little obsessed with Taya's food too, got her eating a whole tin of ad a day now but I still have to encourage her to eat many times a day. It's so peculiar to be around a cat that doesn't care for breakfast - I grew up with cats that would pretty much drag you into the kitchen if they weren't fed! She's finally put on a little weight too...feel like if she's going to develop symptoms she really has to be at her peak in the lead up. Need to collect a stool sample for vet - so will be watching her legs and when she's going - did I mention I'm a little obsessed. Have also been encouraging her to dance for ribbon etc on her hind legs which she's getting very good at...plus her balance reassures me.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 09:02 PM

Hi Tads - Great work compiling all of this. Re symptoms, several people including myself first noticed our cats slipping over running around corners [maybe that's just owners who have wooden floors]. Stella would slip her legs out while running and lay there briefly a bit puzzled. I thought it was the fault of the slippery floors as did others.

She first showed symptoms early to mid October. Spent 2 weeks in a vet hospital having tests and was diagnosed by Georgina mid-November. Not sure when she started first eating Orijen but possibly July-August. She always had a mix of foods - dry and wet/fresh. Orijen wasn't her only dry food either.

She now has almost paralysed back legs. Front still OK and is still continent and may be a little constipated.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 09:05 PM

Hank, just looking at some suggestions for lip licking...some sites suggest symptom of stomache acid which can be relieved by a number of things including raising pet food bowls. Is it possible that the way Stella's now sitting when she's eating may be causing this?

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 10:38 PM

Hank...when my cats were fighting back from their renal failure last year they both were lip licking a lot---at that time the vet said it was due to increased stomach acid making them have nausea--in turn making them not want to eat...he told me to use a very specific acid reducer--dose was based on their weight...although your kitty has a completely different illness and the licking may sure be due to the brain--sort of a seizure-like activity...might be worth to mention at your next vet visit...?

continued good wishes to all of you.....

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 10:55 PM

Hi everyone. I found us! Another refugee clambers aboard gratefully!

Many thanks to Julia for keeping this going.

Many, many thanks to wonderful Tads for that fantastic summary.

Thanks to Felix & Mia for setting up the new "hot topic" site. I have yet to register.

It is late, it's been a huge day, I had to work tonight, I need to rest.

I will just say though I went to see Georgina at 2pm. What a lovely lady. She confirmed Colette is in the mild category of ataxia. Colette still has a lot of integrity in her back legs, they just splay out occasionally. Tonight with all the furniture pushed back in the loungeroom she had a free run and could pick up some speed. The back legs slid together to one side then to the other before she stopped. She has been flicking out her front legs a couple of times. Both of these are a new thing. Worrying.

Georgina didn't really say much more than she had on the phone or that I have garnered by reading all the posts on Catworld. As to treating it, she said the most important thing is time. To give it time. And a change of diet. We discussed roo meat. I've always baulked at the thought of roo meat. Any meat is challenging for me as I am vegetarian. Georgina said roo meat is very high in protein but it must be human grade. NOT TO BUY RAW CAT GRADE MEAT (contains sulphites). So I must put a peg on my nose and go make friends with a butcher to place a regular order already chopped up nicely for me! I shall continue with the cooked chicken and mixed organic vegetables (greens, pumpkin) into which I always add some taurine and some vegemite for B vits and added flavour. Georgina approved of this greatly. Plus raw chicken necks tossed briefly in warmed butter once or twice a week and tinned human grade salmon and mackerel. She said the oily fish are best. Occasional liver. That will do for now. For a little after dinner biscuit she now has just a few Purina One Indoor. And I'm going to step her up to 3 meals a day to beef her up for the long haul. She is now getting Nutrigel and a little slippery elm and psyllium husk to keep her going. And a new pot of catgrass ready and waiting for the balcony once it's habitable again.

The other thing is keeping her active. I had seen a kitten at the vets on Tuesday which I really took to. It's taken me a while to feel ready after Cleo. They agreed to hold her until I had bounced the idea off Georgina. I thought a kitten introduced now while she is still active and not stressed would keep her active while I am out at work and provide nurturing - also she loved to nurture and take care of her older "sister" Cleo so I thought this would help. Georgina said it was a very good idea so I have paid for the kitten and collect her Saturday once the builders/painters are out and my downstairs and balcony are straight again.

Truth to tell I had already picked up a bag of Purina One Kitten when shopping the other night!

Georgina said my batch of Orijen was the same as the cat called Stella (Hank's) so I am bracing myself. Of course not all cats react the same way to this and there is no predictability which is part of the frustration.

I'm to contact her again in a month to let her know how its going or if there is any worsening or if I just want to in the meantime.

That's about it really, can't add anything to what we already knew before I went.

Thanks for letting me blather on.



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Posted 18 December 2008 - 10:59 PM

Good summary Tads

Regarding suggested resources for foods - has anyone tried contacting Dr. Remillard at petdiets.com regarding home prepared foods?

www.petdiets.com

I do think she is one of the industry's best resources.

I am in agreement that a home prepared diet will be the best choice in many cases because you can make it very palatable, adjusting taste/texture to kitty's preference which will be so important at this time to ensure good intake, help you to manage stool quality etc. - but some of the diets people suggest on internet sites are just not well balanced, and these sick guys can't afford to be eating something that may not be meeting their requirements. Dr. Remillard does charge for consultations, but the price is pretty reasonable. (I have nothing to do with her personally, and do not gain financially in any way if you use her service, I just think she is the best resource)

I would also discourage starting to feeding of raw in this situation, unless it is really and truly the only way you are able to get kitty to eat. One thing that is well known, regardless of the species is that animals that are ill and that have compromised immune systems as a result, are often susceptible to bacteria in their environment that are otherwise harmless. To take one of these kittys who is already down, and feed them something that is highly likely to be contaminated with salmonella (among other things) just seems like a really bad idea, especially if they have never been fed raw before and would not have any tolerance built up to potential pathogenic microbes in the food (the microbial population in the GI tract will adjust if the animal is fed raw long term - but now is not the time to start)

I don't want to debate raw vs. cooked here but felt it was important to share my thoughts.


















 

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