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ok so I don't really know a lot about the cat show world, and I know it's different in different countries, hence I'm asking here in the NZ bit!!
I have the option of registering my girls as pedigree or as companion. They will be shown a bit, though not lots. I don't know enough if they're good enough to do well in the breed ring, but then I might like to try and find out. If I do register them as pedigree so they hvae to go against other burmese, can I switch them to companions later if they just don't do well there and might do better as companions?? or is it once choice now that I ahev to stick with? If I have to choose one and not be able to change, I'd probably go companion, but if I can change I'd like to try them against other burmese just to see how they do go for their breed....
Or have I got it all wrong anyway??!! lol!
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 09:03 AM
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Welcome to C-W. I would recommend that you contact the breeder from where you have purchased your girls from, as the breeder will have a much better understanding of whether they are good show quality kittens or not. As well you can always look up for cat councils in your area and give them a call and go with what they recommend. But my 1st point of call would be the breeder of the kittens.
By the way your two girls are very cute, love the lilac torties.
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Welcome to C-W. I would recommend that you contact the breeder from where you have purchased your girls from, as the breeder will have a much better understanding of whether they are good show quality kittens or not. As well you can always look up for cat councils in your area and give them a call and go with what they recommend. But my 1st point of call would be the breeder of the kittens.
By the way your two girls are very cute, love the lilac torties.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 09:10 AM
Usually you cannot switch them once registered.
Why not take them along to a Burmese Breeder and get them to decide if one of them is a pedigree quality more than the other and put one in companion and the other in pedigree.
Why not take them along to a Burmese Breeder and get them to decide if one of them is a pedigree quality more than the other and put one in companion and the other in pedigree.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 09:30 AM
Hi flyingduster,
Are your girls registered with NZCF? This would've been done by their breeder when they were kittens. If they are registered another option would be to show them in the pedigree (neuter/spay) section just to see how they go.
If they don't go well in the pedigree section you can then enter them in a show as companions. You will be allocated a registration number for each cat once your show entry has been received.
However, once they have been registered as companions they can no longer be shown in the pedigree section.
I have a tonkinese that didn't do well against the other pedigrees so I decided to enter her in companions and she did much better.
Hope this helps.
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P.S. Check out the NZCF website on their download page they have a document entitled "NZCF Registered Companion Cats 2007 Rules".
http:///nzcf.com/
Are your girls registered with NZCF? This would've been done by their breeder when they were kittens. If they are registered another option would be to show them in the pedigree (neuter/spay) section just to see how they go.
If they don't go well in the pedigree section you can then enter them in a show as companions. You will be allocated a registration number for each cat once your show entry has been received.
However, once they have been registered as companions they can no longer be shown in the pedigree section.
I have a tonkinese that didn't do well against the other pedigrees so I decided to enter her in companions and she did much better.
Hope this helps.
Kirsty
P.S. Check out the NZCF website on their download page they have a document entitled "NZCF Registered Companion Cats 2007 Rules".
http:///nzcf.com/
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:20 AM
I should have said that the breeder is my 'second mum' & boss, and I see her most days, she bred the litter for me and I had pick of the litter. Though I only went for the girl who fell in love with me rather than trying to pick a good show prospect!! She had a freind with nice boys in the NI, but gave me the choice of which boy of hers I wanted to use, though I went with her reccomendation anyway!!
But yeah, we've stuffed around and the litter isn't registered yet, this is why I'm getting the choice now cos we want to show them in a show in aug, so gotta get them done :P
So I can register them as pedigree but still show them as companions if they don't do well in the breed classes? That might be an idea...
I'm not at all worried how they go being shown, they're pets and I wuv them, but I do enjoy showing dogs and horses, so figured I might as well show the girls too!! hehe.
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But yeah, we've stuffed around and the litter isn't registered yet, this is why I'm getting the choice now cos we want to show them in a show in aug, so gotta get them done :P
So I can register them as pedigree but still show them as companions if they don't do well in the breed classes? That might be an idea...
I'm not at all worried how they go being shown, they're pets and I wuv them, but I do enjoy showing dogs and horses, so figured I might as well show the girls too!! hehe.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:28 AM
Showing is a lot of fun and you get to meet new people with the same interest as you, "Cats" 
What show are you entering them in?
What show are you entering them in?
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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:01 PM
well fiance now isn't interested in showing Freyja, and as much as I'd like to, she is technically his cat, and he doesn't see the point. I've always shown and stewarded at dog, horse, and cat shows (ok so I've only helped score for cat shows!!) for the past 5 years, so it's just natural for me to want to show the girls, and I can't explain or get through to him the 'bug' of showing and being in the show world of animals, so Freyja will stay home. He's also determined she won't enjoy it, so I'm not even going to try ask him again.
So, we've decided to just register them as SH companion cats, there's not a lot of point them going as spay pedigree, as they aren't going to ever be bred or anything, I only want to do it for the fun of it if Jasmine enjoys it (of course if she doesn't we won't push it!!!) and she can have fun in the companion classes easily at many more shows than in pedigree classes with only classes for burmese!
As a companion cat she can go in the likes of the long haired cat show on aug 5th, as they have SH and LH domestic and companion classes! hehe.
They're both getting spayed next tuesday, so there'll be 2 weeks and 5 days from her spay until the show, I know my rats would be absolutly healed by then, but will a kitten be ok for showing that soon after her spay? She is older than we'd planned to be spayed (5 months) but I imagine they'll still bounce out of it fairly well! I am going to make sure they do a midline spay (pretty sure they do them midline usually anyway), and take as little hair as they can (though still enough to be sanitary of course!) I do know she won't be marked down for a spay shave, but it'd be nicer to have it as un-obtrusive as possible so it doesn't detract!! hehe.
Interesting though, that her companion cat registration numer is number 088. Is there really only 88 SH companions registered in NZ!? Or is it some other method of numbering? lol!!
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So, we've decided to just register them as SH companion cats, there's not a lot of point them going as spay pedigree, as they aren't going to ever be bred or anything, I only want to do it for the fun of it if Jasmine enjoys it (of course if she doesn't we won't push it!!!) and she can have fun in the companion classes easily at many more shows than in pedigree classes with only classes for burmese!
As a companion cat she can go in the likes of the long haired cat show on aug 5th, as they have SH and LH domestic and companion classes! hehe.
They're both getting spayed next tuesday, so there'll be 2 weeks and 5 days from her spay until the show, I know my rats would be absolutly healed by then, but will a kitten be ok for showing that soon after her spay? She is older than we'd planned to be spayed (5 months) but I imagine they'll still bounce out of it fairly well! I am going to make sure they do a midline spay (pretty sure they do them midline usually anyway), and take as little hair as they can (though still enough to be sanitary of course!) I do know she won't be marked down for a spay shave, but it'd be nicer to have it as un-obtrusive as possible so it doesn't detract!! hehe.
Interesting though, that her companion cat registration numer is number 088. Is there really only 88 SH companions registered in NZ!? Or is it some other method of numbering? lol!!
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 06:20 PM
FD,
I think you are right about the companion numbering. I registered my girl about two years ago and her number is 021.
Here in Christchurch we usually get about 10 cats entered into the companion section. I guess in Dunedin at a Long Hair show you might get less. So if your girl is nice she will have a good chance.
What has your mum said about her type, is she show quality? If she has a nice shiny coat, she is in good proportion and most importantly has good showmanship (judges love it when your cat sucks up to them), she should do well in the companion section.
Start preparing her now as showing can by quite a dramatic experience, especially if they haven't been exposed to all the noise of a show hall and people handling her, etc. Also make sure her vaccinations are up-to-date as you will need to take a current vaccination certificate with you.
I'm not sure if 3 weeks is enough time between spaying and showing, it probably will be okay, but maybe someone else on the board who has had experience with this may be able to help.
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I think you are right about the companion numbering. I registered my girl about two years ago and her number is 021.
Here in Christchurch we usually get about 10 cats entered into the companion section. I guess in Dunedin at a Long Hair show you might get less. So if your girl is nice she will have a good chance.
What has your mum said about her type, is she show quality? If she has a nice shiny coat, she is in good proportion and most importantly has good showmanship (judges love it when your cat sucks up to them), she should do well in the companion section.
Start preparing her now as showing can by quite a dramatic experience, especially if they haven't been exposed to all the noise of a show hall and people handling her, etc. Also make sure her vaccinations are up-to-date as you will need to take a current vaccination certificate with you.
I'm not sure if 3 weeks is enough time between spaying and showing, it probably will be okay, but maybe someone else on the board who has had experience with this may be able to help.
Cheers,
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 04:11 PM
Her type isn't too bad, she has a good body, her head is swaying more to the fine siamese type than the round burmese, but still isn't too bad. She's balanced anyway, and in good condition with a nice coat and general build. She may not do well as a burmese, I can't claim to know their judging enough, but there is no oddities about her body or style that would really mark her down as a companion. Her face markings aren't all that symetrical though...
She won't have a problem with a show I don't think! The whole litter has been going to work with me (a busy dog grooming palour) since they were 6 weeks old. She has also been out to other strange & random places with me, and has been handled by many dozens of people she's never met! I have made a point of stretching her out and holding her up as if judging at random times too, and plonking her on a table at work and stuff. She only got her vaccinations a couple of months ago, so that's all good, and I am used to having to have vaccination certificates anywhere like that, as I also work in a large boarding cattery and that's just standard! hehe. I know she won't be all that happy, especially at first, but I think she's the type of personality that will soon settle well.
I know that 3 weeks will mean she'll still have the shaved bit, though some fuzz will have grown back, with rats they are pretty much totaly healed with just lumpy scar tissue after only a week, but I don't know how fast cats heal!! I think after 3 weeks she *should* be ok, stitches usually come out at a week to 10 days I think, so another couple of weeks on top of that should mean it's pretty well healed... Hmm.
Thank you for your help, I will update how she goes with her spay and then the show!!
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She won't have a problem with a show I don't think! The whole litter has been going to work with me (a busy dog grooming palour) since they were 6 weeks old. She has also been out to other strange & random places with me, and has been handled by many dozens of people she's never met! I have made a point of stretching her out and holding her up as if judging at random times too, and plonking her on a table at work and stuff. She only got her vaccinations a couple of months ago, so that's all good, and I am used to having to have vaccination certificates anywhere like that, as I also work in a large boarding cattery and that's just standard! hehe. I know she won't be all that happy, especially at first, but I think she's the type of personality that will soon settle well.
I know that 3 weeks will mean she'll still have the shaved bit, though some fuzz will have grown back, with rats they are pretty much totaly healed with just lumpy scar tissue after only a week, but I don't know how fast cats heal!! I think after 3 weeks she *should* be ok, stitches usually come out at a week to 10 days I think, so another couple of weeks on top of that should mean it's pretty well healed... Hmm.
Thank you for your help, I will update how she goes with her spay and then the show!!
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 05:12 PM
She will be healed but her hair will not be grown back but they should not penalise her for that - have fun. Wish I had you to socialise my kitties......lol.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:27 PM
That's great flyingduster. Looks like you're all set then. Good luck and I'm looking forward to hearing your results. 
Cheers,
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:40 AM
Oh, I forgot to ask, is there anything much I can help make her look goooood with? Obviously I'll do her claws the day before so they're not sharp, make sure her eyes and anus are clean and stuff, but anything good for their coats or anything? I know persians get sculpted (gawd I hate doing that) but with SH there's not a lot to really do but give another brush I suppose!!?
Hah, Jasmine was snoozing by the fire a little last night, then got up and deliberatly went across the room to chew on the edge of a banana box a couple of times, and come back across the room licking her mouth funny. Sure enough, when I looked in her mouth, she's lost her first baby tooth. I went over to the box and found a teeny wee bottom canine tooth still wedged in the cardboard!! LOL! I probably haven't looked in their mouths for a week now, and they were certainly all firm then, but now looking I can see the tips of her top canines poking in ahead of her babies. Freyja hasn't got any signs of teething yet, but I know she won't be far behind!
I know with puppies sometimes the baby tooth doesn't fall out properly with those top canines, and the adult one just comes in infront of it and they end up needing the baby one pulled so the adult one can straighten and sit properly. Does that happen with cats too? Obviously I do check their mouths fairly often anyway, and they're fine with that so I know I won't miss a problem if it arose, but I don't know many others who think of doing that with their kittens at all, so I guess it can't be a huge problem....???
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Hah, Jasmine was snoozing by the fire a little last night, then got up and deliberatly went across the room to chew on the edge of a banana box a couple of times, and come back across the room licking her mouth funny. Sure enough, when I looked in her mouth, she's lost her first baby tooth. I went over to the box and found a teeny wee bottom canine tooth still wedged in the cardboard!! LOL! I probably haven't looked in their mouths for a week now, and they were certainly all firm then, but now looking I can see the tips of her top canines poking in ahead of her babies. Freyja hasn't got any signs of teething yet, but I know she won't be far behind!
I know with puppies sometimes the baby tooth doesn't fall out properly with those top canines, and the adult one just comes in infront of it and they end up needing the baby one pulled so the adult one can straighten and sit properly. Does that happen with cats too? Obviously I do check their mouths fairly often anyway, and they're fine with that so I know I won't miss a problem if it arose, but I don't know many others who think of doing that with their kittens at all, so I guess it can't be a huge problem....???
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